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How to Choose the Right Heat Pump for In-Floor Heating

By Nordic

September 20, 2016

Heat Pump Installation

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Choosing the right head pump for your home is not an easy feat. There are many factors to consider including initial cost, efficiency, monthly cost, and comfort. You’ll also need to take into consideration what type of distribution system and energy supply source you have available.

As part of a new series on choosing a heat pump for your home, today we’re going to focus on choosing the right heat pump for radiant in-floor heating.

Radiant in-floor heating, also sometimes called underfloor heating, is gaining popularity in Canada and is an efficient, silent, and comfortable way to heat your home. There are two primary types of modern in-floor heating: electric resistance heating, and hydronic heating. We’re going to focus on hydronic heating.

Hydronic in-floor heating is achieved by casting piping into concrete and circulating a heated fluid through the piping. The heated fluid then radiates heat into the concrete, warming your floors and your home. This method of home heating is efficient, silent, and very comfortable.

There are many ways to heat the fluid, from an electric boiler, by using fossil fuels, or by using a heat pump. If you choose to use a heat pump, there are two primary types you can use: a water to water heat pump (such as the Nordic W Series), or an air to water heat pump (like the Nordic ATW Series).

These two types of heat pumps each have their pros and cons and are best suited to certain homes. Here are the different factors you need to consider when choosing between these two types of heat pumps:

Initial Cost

The major difference between the W Series heat pump and the ATW Series heat pump is how they harvest their heat. The W Series heat pump is a geothermal heat pump which means it harvests its heat from the ground. It does this by extracting heat from a geothermal ground loop. A ground loop is plastic piping buried in the earth with a food-grade antifreeze solution circulating through it. In the winter, the liquid in the pipes absorbs the low-grade heat from the ground, and the geothermal heat pump extracts that heat and transfers it into your home.

Installing a ground loop requires excavation or vertical borehole drilling, depending on how much space is available to you. This adds to the geothermal heat pump cost.

In contrast, an air source heat pump harvests heat from the outdoor air. There is no geothermal ground loop, which means no excavation or vertical drilling. Instead, the part of the heat pump that harvests heat sits outside the home on a concrete slab, as pictured below.

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Since there is no excavation, the initial cost of an air source heat pump is less than a geothermal heat pump. The cost for the indoor components including the hydronic piping and the indoor portion of both types of heat pumps is about the same.

Ability

Both the W Series heat pump and the ATW Series heat water up to 120°F for radiant in-floor heating. Both units are fully reversing to provide chilled water for air conditioning via a hydronic air handler, and both units come with a desuperheater as standard equipment for domestic hot water preheating. In terms of what the heat pumps can provide, they are very similar.

Efficiency

A heat pump’s efficiency is how much heat it can produce compared to the energy required to run it. We measure a heat pump’s efficiency using a formula called coefficient of performance (COP). A heat pump’s COP is a measure of the heat pump’s output compared to the amount of energy required to produce that output. You can calculate heat pump COP by measuring its inputs and outputs in a laboratory setting, and we’ve measured that the average geothermal heat pump has a COP of 4.00, while the average air source heat pump has a COP that goes up and down, but averages around 2.9 for the whole year’s temperature fluctuations.

As a result, you can safely say that a geothermal heat pump is more efficient than an air source heat pump.

Monthly Cost

We now know that, on average, an air source heat pump is less costly to install up front, but what about the month to month costs? Again, this is where efficiency comes in.

We know that the ATW Series heat pump is a little less efficient on average than the W Series heat pump. That means it needs to work harder to put out the same amount of heat. When the ATW Series works harder, it consumes more electricity, which will make it a little more expensive to run than the W Series.

If you choose an air source heat pump to replace your current heating system, you can expect a less dramatic reduction in your utility bills, especially in the dead of winter when temperatures are very low, and the unit may have to run on backup heat for a few days per year, which has a COP of 1.0.

Longevity

Because geothermal heat pumps are housed completely indoors and underground, they last a long time. All of the major components are inside the home in a temperature-controlled environment such as a basement or mechanical room. You can expect your geothermal heat pump to last up to 20 years.

In comparison, air source heat pumps also have very good longevity, with a few caveats. Our uniquely designed ATW Series heat pump has all major components indoors including the compressor and control board. The only parts that are in the outdoor unit are an air coil, electronic expansion valve, and fan. While we manufacture our outdoor unit out of the most robust components we can find, they are subject to the wear and tear of the outdoor elements. They should still last a long time, but some maintenance will be required on the outdoor portion of the machine.

Comfort

Both types of heat pumps are designed to provide extremely comfortable and quiet hydronic heating for your home. With both systems, you will receive the same, highly comfortable underfloor heating in your home. In this respect the two heat pumps are equal.

Find out how a heat pump system could help you save on your monthly utility bills. Find a dealer for a free, personalized quote!

Comments

  1. Reply

    Helen

    November 01, 2016

    A cold tile floor in the winter is one of hardest things to deal with when you wake up in the morning. We are in the middle of remodeling our kitchen, but I’m starting to think that I want to remodel the bathroom as well. Heated tiles under my feet before a shower would be marvelous.

  2. Reply

    Lionel scott

    December 02, 2016

    I have baseboard radiation and due to the difficulty in getting the pipe back into the basement I installed way more radiation then would be required to heat the home with 180 f . The result is I am able to maintain a 72 f room temperature using low water temperatures . The outside temperature as I write this is just above freezing and the boiler water is 100 f , room is 72 f , floor 72f , ceiling 74f , furniture 74.5 f . In my experance my comfort level is as good as in floor heat and more controllable . The initial cost is a lot less. I love the fact that your heat pump has all major components inside.

  3. Reply

    Jordann

    December 02, 2016

    Hi Lionel,

    It sounds like your home would be a good option for an air to water heat pump!

  4. Reply

    boriskas

    December 31, 2016

    Excellent article, thank you for the useful information, the site is excellent, always read it.

  5. Reply

    Mike J. Collard

    April 11, 2017

    We are building a new house next year and our contractor is suggesting a tankless water heater. He has one in his own house and loves it. I’m still undecided. Thanks for the tips!

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    Susan

    May 23, 2017

    We have in-floor heating with a small electric boiler type heater in our basement, where our bedrooms are, and electric radiators on our main floor. (We don’t have gas or other heating fuels available) These were installed about 18 years ago. Is there a type of heat exchanger that would help with what we have? We don’t want a furnace. We don’t have any ductwork in the house.

    • Jordann Brown

      May 23, 2017

      Your home could very likely benefit from an air to water heat pump, or depending on the minimum temperature your radiators your home may also be a good candidate for the WC Series heat pump. You can find more information on both of these heat pumps here:
      ATW Series: http://www.nordicghp.com/product/nordic-products/air-source-heat-pump/air-to-water/
      WC Series: http://www.nordicghp.com/product/nordic-products/high-temp-water-to-water/high-temperature-hot-water-heat-pump/

  7. Reply

    Kathy

    July 23, 2017

    Can you tell me if this product is available in south Australia.

    • Jordann Brown

      July 24, 2017

      Our heat pumps are available in Australian voltages, please email me directly at jordann@nordicghp.com for ordering information.

  8. Reply

    Gerald

    October 31, 2017

    I live in a old century home in nova scotia with old cast iron rads. Would this system be effient for my house?

    • Jordann Brown

      November 01, 2017

      Hi Gerald, you should check out this article to help answer that question: https://www.nordicghp.com/2016/02/air-to-water-heat-pump-hot-water-baseboards-radiators/

      If you have additional questions after reading the article feel free to get in touch with us via our Contact Form.

  9. Reply

    Leo Anthony

    February 02, 2018

    Hi, i have a new home in NS that is slab on grade with hydronic heat and electric boiler on TOD electric meter. When I built a couple years ago the air source hydronic heating was still pretty new and I wanted to add on one at some point to supplement the boiler. With time of day meter and air source to hydronic heat pump using half price electricity overnight would I be close to a ground source geothermal? What would the cost be? Thanks

    • Jordann Brown

      February 05, 2018

      Hi Leo,
      Any TOD monitoring/efficiencies that could be achieved with an air to water heat pump could also be achieved with a geothermal heat pump. Without TOD efficiencies you can expect an air source heat pump to be 250% efficient (compared to a 100% efficient electric boiler) and a geothermal heat pump to be 400% efficient. You could add TOD monitoring software efficiencies to that efficiency to get a realistic view of how much you’ll save.

  10. Reply

    Apeil.M Edmonds

    June 09, 2018

    Very interested

  11. Reply

    Janice Butler

    June 13, 2018

    Hello,
    We recently bought a ranch style home in Nova Scotia. Source of heat is in floor hydronic which is heated by oil. Since march we have gone through 3 tanks of oil. Only 2 of us live here, we have the heat turned off now. We both work through the day. We want to get rid of the oil and we were thinking of solar power and heat pumps. Is this more efficient and if not what would be the best. The home was built in 2003. Thank you Janice

    • Jordann Brown

      June 13, 2018

      Hi Janice,
      A geothermal heat pump is the most efficient way to heat and cool your home, being on average 400% more efficient than heating with straight electricity.

  12. Reply

    Karen

    July 19, 2018

    We currently have radiant heating in our home on two levels. The circulating water is heated by a propane boiler. I love our warm floors no matter how cold it is but I find the propane expensive. PLUs we have to cool our home with portable air conditioners during the hottest weather. I would love to know if one of your heat pumps or geothermal units could be adapted to our home. It was built in 2002 in PEI.

    • Jordann Brown

      July 20, 2018

      Hi Karen,
      Your property might be a good fit for one of our heat pumps. The best way to find out is to get a quote from a heat pump installer. You can locate a dealer near you by using our find a dealer tool: https://www.nordicghp.com/find-a-dealer/

  13. Reply

    Alexander

    August 08, 2018

    I am building a new home within 30’ of the ocean in temperate Victoria BC, Canada.
    I am interested in the hydronic in floor heating using the W version and geothermal.
    Can you give me an idea of the boring requirements, depths required or footprint of the geothermal loops? Planning a 3000sqft heated space.

    • Jordann Brown

      August 08, 2018

      Hi Alexander,
      There are geothermal ground loop guidelines in the heat pump product manual starting on page 24: https://www.nordicghp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/001490MAN-03-ISSUE-02-W-Series-Two-Stage-R410a.pdf
      More detailed information on ground loop design and installation can be found through either the Canadian Geoexchange Coalition or the International Ground Source Heat Pump Association.

  14. Reply

    Patricia Howard

    September 15, 2018

    I have hydronic heating in my concrete floors with a oil boiler that was installed 17 years ago. Could I use one of your air to water heat pumps instead of my existing oil boiler?I live on an island near Seattle where the winter temperatures are very reliably between 40- 50 Farenheit. How much more efficient would the heat pump be? How expensivewould it be to buy? The house is 2000 square feet.

    • Jordann Brown

      September 17, 2018

      Hi Patricia,
      Thanks for getting in touch about our air to water heat pump. As long as your system is designed for low-temperature heating (120degF or lower) than the air to water heat pump will be a great choice. It’s designed to work down to temperatures as low as -7degF, but some backup heat may still be required. The heat pump varies in efficiency depending on the outdoor temperature, with efficiencies as high as 400% at 55degF down to 220% at 5degF.

      You can email me at jordann@nordicghp.com for pricing estimates and recommendations for installers near you.

  15. Reply

    David Birkmeier

    November 29, 2018

    I have a flowing well that that supplies our 1200 sqft home . We dump the overflow to our lake year round. How can I what the house with this water and how much flowing do I need. Floor is radiant heat currently supplied by high efficiency water heater

    • Jordann Brown

      November 29, 2018

      Hi David,
      You could use the water as an open well system with our W Series heat pump. There are details on open loop systems in the product manual, on starting on page 31: https://www.nordicghp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/001490MAN-03-ISSUE-02-W-Series-Two-Stage-R410a.pdf

  16. Reply

    Rob Gill

    February 17, 2019

    Hi. We are in the finishing stage of building our 2 level, 7700 square feet house. We have radiant in floor heating that is warmed by a propane boiler as we don’t have access to natural gas.

    My heating costs are ridiculously high with my $1400 propane tank running out in 3.5 weeks (stoves or showers are not running yet!!). I’d like to know if this is normal and if not, is it too late to switch to geothermal?

    • Jordann Brown

      February 19, 2019

      Hi Rob,
      A geothermal heat pump would be an excellent heat source for radiant in-floor heating, particularly our W Series heat pump. How much you’ll save depends on local propane and electricity rates, but a geothermal heat pump is around 350% efficient, while a propane boiler would be less than 100% efficient. You can switch to geothermal heating at any time. I can’t speak to whether that is normal for your home, as we are not propane professionals.

  17. Reply

    Claude Larose

    February 18, 2019

    Why do you have to install the units outdoor.
    If installed inside a mechanical room the unit only has to heat or cool the glycol a few degrees. I understand that there is a noise factor to consider. As far as I’m concerned a closed system water to water would be ridiculously efficient.

    • Jordann Brown

      February 19, 2019

      Hi Claude,
      Every heat pump needs a sustainable heat source because all a heat pump does is move heat from one place to the other, they don’t create heat. For a geothermal heat pump, that heat source is the ground. For an air source heat pump, that heat source is the outdoor air. A mechanical room with no other heat source is not a sufficient source of heat since all of the heat in a mechanical room is moved there by the heat pump itself.

  18. Reply

    Reg

    February 19, 2019

    Hi Jordann: I live in Eastern Canada, I have infloor hydronic in my basement and baseboard on my main level. Currently using an oil boiler to to heat my house and domestic water with an internal loop. Can an ATW be used to supplement the boiler (hooked directly into the boiler) or is system designed to be a stand alone? Also where do I find the prices of your units and the BTU requirement per square feet

    • Jordann Brown

      February 19, 2019

      Hi Reg,
      Thanks for getting in touch! Our ATW Series heat pump is designed to be a whole home heat pump, with a backup system in place which could be your oil boiler. The boiler would supplement the heat pump when it can’t keep up with the heating demand by feeding a common water tank. You can find general rule of thumb square footage recommendations in our product manual. For pricing, I’d recommend you get in touch with one of our heat pump installers by using our Find a Dealer tool: https://www.nordicghp.com/find-a-dealer/

  19. Reply

    John Reilly

    April 23, 2019

    This was very useful. Too bad I hadn’t seen this as I was building my house. I have radiant in-floor heating with concrete floors on both levels of my house. I didn’t realize I could use a heat pump to heat the water in the radiant system so I have a propane-fired boiler. I’d like to reduce or even eliminate CO2 emissions–so if I added some more PV panels to my house, I could power the heating system with the heat pump–and cool in summer–though so far not much need for cooling in Maine Mts. My house is about 4200 square feet plus heated two car garage–extremely well insulated, and unless i have guests I keep lower level at 50 F and garage at 40 F. I’m in Maine–climate zone 5. Do you have a rough estimate of how much electricity heating would require in this climate for this size house? The propane fired boiler is just 2 years old–would it have some reasonable resale value? How big a unit would I need–I think the air based system is what I would go with.

    • Jordann Brown

      April 23, 2019

      Hi John,
      Thanks for reaching out. Please email your propane usage data for the past 12 months, along with the cost per unit of fuel to info@nordicghp.com and we’d be happy to prepare some equivalent estimates.

  20. Reply

    Dennis Zinsmeister

    May 24, 2019

    We are thinking about the practicality of installing an air to water heat pump to heat our tile floors in the winter, we live in vermont.
    Our tiled area measures 550 square feet.
    I assume these units come in various sizes.
    Can install in our back basement where the temp never goes below 58-60F.
    Is this idea cost effective?
    A warm bath floor in winter would be heaven.

    Dennis

    • Jordann Brown

      May 24, 2019

      Hi Dennis,

      Our smallest ATW Series heat pump is rated to heat a space of 800 sq feet, so would work for a space that small. You’ll need a clean dry area to install the indoor unit and buffer tank, and an outdoor space for the outdoor unit. Feel free to email me at jordann@nordicghp.com for more information.

  21. Reply

    shweta

    July 10, 2019

    very good concepts and technique…..
    thank you so much for advising such an effective way for heating……
    well done…
    keep sharing….

  22. Reply

    Ethel Tracey

    October 20, 2019

    We have build a 1800 sq foot shop we are putting a electric on demand heater . We have most of the components but need the pump and a few other components. Where is a good place I live in Barrie Ontario area. Thanks Ethel

    • Jordann Brown

      October 23, 2019

      Hi Ethel,
      We can only recommend qualified geothermal heat pump installers. For other inquiries, you’ll have to contact a local HVAC company.

  23. Reply

    Steven Hamilton

    January 02, 2020

    We have a French farmhouse currently with electric water heater for bath water and oil based boiler for radiators. We are adding on a barn attached to house with floor radiant heating. Plumber suggests getting heat pump (electric) to do 80% of floor barn heating. Is this worth it versus seeing if oil based boiler is adequate?

    • Jordann Brown

      January 03, 2020

      Hi Steven,
      It depends on your local electricity and oil rates, but you can expect to save a significant amount of money by switching to a heat pump from your oil boiler. Don’t forget that Nordic heat pumps are also reversible to provide chilled water for cooling, and preheat your domestic hot water, saving you additional costs.

  24. Reply

    Steve Buchsbaum

    January 06, 2020

    Hi Jordan. I have a radiant floor system in my house. The primary source of heat is an oil-fired boiler. A solar hot water system supplements the hot water system. The system has a 250 gallon water storage tank. I am thinking a heat pump could reduce my oil usage which is a little less than 400 gallons per year. I’m wondering if the heat pump can be programmed to shut off in really cold temperatures when the oil system would be cheaper to run? I live in central Maine. Does your company do work around here?

    • Jordann Brown

      January 06, 2020

      Hi Steve,
      Our air to water heat pumps can be programmed to switch to auxiliary heat (the oil boiler) when the outdoor air temperature reaches a certain cutoff point. To have one of our units installed, you can use our Find a Dealer tool to find a local installer of Nordic equipment: https://www.nordicghp.com/find-a-dealer/

  25. Reply

    Vance Lybbert

    March 10, 2020

    I am now into my 3rd year using a Nordic geothermal unit…ground loop water to water…
    Yes! I had a lot of negativity and skepticism that I could not heat a 6600sq/ft home in northern BC with water from the earth…I have in floor heating in both the basement concrete floor and the main floor with 1 1/2″ concrete (gypsum) poured on top…As our critics (lol) have come over for visits they are shock how warm our house is and have become very jealous that we don’t have to shovel wood into a wood stove or an outside boiler to heat our home as most people do not have natural gas where we live…even when it has been below -40C many times…I am so pleased with the efficiency of a Nordic unit and recommend it to all who inquire about our system…
    P.S. My wife loves the heated tile floor in her kitchen and bathrooms!!!

  26. Reply

    John Lariviere

    March 29, 2020

    Hi Jordann, Great article! I’ve recently installed a 10 KW PV solar array with two 13 KW backup batteries. I currently have a well insulated house in central New Hampshire with 2×6 construction, have an oil fired boiler for hydronic baseboard heat and hot water and would like to minimize oil use. The main level is 1600 sf and basement, which is heated to 60°F, is 600 sf. I’d like to convert to a heat pump with hydronic radiant in floor heating with domestic hot water capability. What series heat pump would you recommend?

    • Jordann Brown

      April 27, 2020

      For hydronic baseboard heat, you’ll need a heat pump that is capable of producing 160F hot water. Our high-temperature heat pumps would be a good option.

  27. Reply

    Wade Enns

    May 16, 2020

    Can I use the same type of atw heat pump that is used for my domestic water to heat my floor? Up in Saskatchewan I want to get away from a split unit. I want the whole unit to be in the house.

    • Jordann Brown

      May 26, 2020

      Wade, our air to water heat pump is designed to heat water for radiant in-floor heating, which would provide you with whole home heating. I can’t speak to the other available brands and their capabilities or limitations.

  28. Reply

    no win no fee

    July 28, 2020

    I cannot thank you enough for the post.Really looking forward to read more. Awesome.

  29. Reply

    marcel gallant

    October 19, 2020

    Should we lower the thermostat by four degrees at night during the winter months (from 22C to 18C) to reduce our energy bills?

    • Jordann Brown

      October 20, 2020

      Hi Marcel,
      The best way to determine whether you should reduce the temperature overnight is to track the run-time in both scenarios. If your heat pump has to run longer overall to bring the home back up to temperature in the morning, then reducing the air temperature by four degrees will not be more beneficial overall. Most smart thermostats have an online interface that tracks run-time. I’d recommend you start there.

  30. Reply

    James raymond

    April 28, 2022

    I am going to be starting my home build within the next couple months and i was wondering if i can use the heat pump system in conjunction with minisplits for ac

    • Dan Rheault

      April 28, 2022

      Hi, you could use an air to water or water to water heat pump for in-floor heating while using mini-splits for AC. This might be considered easier to set up, but has the disadvantages of extra cost and extra space required for outdoor units, as well as not having a central cooling system.

  31. Reply

    george baumgardner

    May 21, 2022

    I would like to replace my resistance boiler with an air to water heat pump. Please reply as to the needed components and the availability of such, thank you, George Baumgardner

    • Dan Rheault

      May 30, 2022

      Hi, there is a sample bill of materials for an ATW system on page 9 of the manual:
      https://www.nordicghp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/001970MAN-04-ISSUE-02-ATW-Series-Two-Stage-R410a.pdf

  32. Reply

    Doug Caldwell

    October 31, 2023

    Our 1700 Sq ft home is currently heated by an oil-fired underfloor system. We live in Whitehorse up in the Yukon where winter temps can get way down to -40 for days at a time. I am just beginning my research to determine if there is an affordable option to convert to a heat pump – air or thermal options can be employed on our property. The water table is 600 ft down so that’s $50K just for starters. Thanks!

    • Dan Rheault

      November 01, 2023

      Hi, that’s not a straightforward retrofit, to be sure. Air to water heat pumps only operate down to ~-22°C outdoors and rely on backup heat below that, so might not be great for your climate, while geothermal is more expensive especially if you live in a solid-rock area or have low groundwater. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help!

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